The species are abundant in the state, numbering around 4,000 to 6,000 estimated creatures. There are many reviews of this caliber online. Sun, Jan 29, 2023. . The next stage of the disease results in paralysis. Both holsters always pack into camp with me. Anyhow, nice article and just consider the glock 10 mm if you are comfortable with a semi-auto tyoe pistol. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. Young cubs are emerging for the first time, and mothers are ultra-protective. Sep 25, 2007. Poisons, like these rodenticides, harm lions. Oaf commented on the case strength, I personally use Starline cases mostly, and have not had a failure yet, however I do only use those cases for 2 heavy loadings, and then relegate them to lesser cowboy loads. AFLoader, the Automated Universal Pistol Magazine Loader, https://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/grizzly/bear%20spray.pdf. The only real downside is there is not a good rifle to go with the 10 mm. He said he was not scared of all the trips he made. Their large hind legs also make them excellent at sprinting for short distances. That wouldnt do it for me. It is not that you have to out run the bear, you just have to out run the slowest member of your party. I had a face off not far from lake Iliamna with that combo and would not have traded it for the world. Both are excellent sidearms but leave something to be desired when confronting big game in the boonies. My gun likes the Hornady XTPs best, and I feel confident making vital hits out to 40 yards or so with this combination. That is your choice. Inside the house, condo, apartment, or indoors such should A mountain lion's skull is thicker than that of a human, and they can survive shots from firearms that are much more powerful. I doubt that I have walked past a moose without noticing. Even if it is based upon a reasonable extrapolation from current self defense doctrine. Most rangers will tell you a $50. FL). The author is right in the close terrain on of the Bitterroors, youre only going to get two shots off and the second one will be point blank. Colorado Parks and Wildlife said the man, identified on Thursday as 31-year-old Travis Kauffman, is "recovering well" after the self-defense attack on Feb. 4. Which brings up the old but true adage. Again, please keep in mind that we only have black bears to contend with here in New York. Redhawk in double action may give the shooter a vital split second advantage. False economy at that point. The recoil is quite severe for all of these loads and I cant imagine wanting or needing to go to the 460 Rowland! He agreed the animal was huge. .38 special have been a huge disappointment for me. No, they dont. You are on the Alaskan highways lets get that straight. Dating back to 1873, the .45 Colt will provide very impressive terminal ballistics when loaded in a strong, modern handgun. As an Army veteran, I had no problem with my shot placement just my faith in loads. 50 round box should last a lifetime. I have both the Governor and a Public Defender Judge, but no steel framed .45 Long Colt guns. If I had not shot the hog with a .44 Magnum I think it would have ended very badly. Get as informed as you can, and make the best choice you can. not litter the landscape. I learned more in this article about wildlife and practical sidearms than any other article to date in thirty-five plus years. Penetration and shot placement are king. The female mountain lion in a chilling faceoff with a solo trail runner in Utah wasn't trying to kill him. Yes it is a bit heavy, but as said earlier.with a charging bear 8.5lbs of 458 SOCOM feels like a down pillow . I have concerns with shooting the higher pressure .45 LC rounds, like the Buffalo Bore 325 grain load. I carry my Ruger SP101 357 on me always, and when camping, I have my 45-70 close by. If you put a 6.25 inch barrel on the glock 20 it is very capable of stopping most large animals. For the outdoors person a revolver can likewise Found the bullet in the other ear, Weighed 270 grains. Remember you can be turned into bear shit with in two days if you are wrong! Handloaded in a Blackhawk as described in my earlier post, the .45 outdoes the .44 mag. Jul 30, 2019. Commander. There are too many variables involved to deliberatly under gun yourself on a planned trip in bear country. Its jackass. Disease is a greater concern when lions are genetically isolated as in the Santa Ana Mountains, and could potentially contribute to future decline in that population. My only proof of that assertion goes back 17 years when I was unkowingly walking my blind dog very near a collared grizzly sow with two cubs. +P Semi-Wadcutter HP Ammo [38G] - $20.95 Or if you are really recoil sensitive these would work pretty well, non-plus p and low velocity. Required fields are marked *. What do you know! Most of the revolvers mentioned in this article are double action. I dont think it is funny to not mention bear spray. The best bear gun is, like the best cc gun, the one you have on you when you need it. First round 00 buckshot then slugs. moose. Any suggestion that a 9mm or 357 magnum is any gun better than none in brown bear country is ridiculous. I own several Casulls, but my favorite handgun is a 5-inch, custom Freedom Arms Model 83 that Ken Kelly tricked out for me. No thanks. Something I doubt the 500 or 460 blunderbuss allows. More is always better and the bullet is the key. I agree the 329 PD is ideal with Lower Recoil .44 Magnum Ammo 255 gr. On my next trip I will get a gun with a 4 barrel!! Ultimately, some gun is better than no gun, and too much gun that youre unable to get proficient with is a problem. There was an Indian woman in Canada out hunting small game for the stew pot with her .22 rifle, when she found herself being hunted by a large grizzly. I also have a small Freedom Arms in .500 Wyoming Express. Maybe a man purse could hold 2 #s of C4? You need to shoot a few of the +Ps every Spring to remember where they are hitting. With bears you keep shooting until it stops moving your survival depends on tossing allot of big, heavy lead very fast. Protect your neck, throat, and head. Mr. Massaro, it is men like you who make our country and our military great! Stupidity has no limits ! National Park Service, via AP, FILE. uh://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/two-attacked-by-cougar-identified-wildlife-officials-say-predator-was-emaciated/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=article_title_1.1, https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/two-attacked-by-cougar-identified-wildlife-officials-say-predator-was-emaciated/. Just my thoughts!! A woman was killed by a cougar, in Washington State a couple of weeks ago, while mountain biking. 3-6 .357 mag with 200g hardcast at 1250fps or more, depending on barrel length. If I find it I will post it. Wolves are more of a threat. People living in neighborhoods around Nederland wonder why Colorado Parks and Wildlife can't do more to stop attacks on their pets. and I usually see a grizzly when I hunt almost within sight of Cody Wy. Key Points: No dog, regardless of the breed, would be able to take on a full-grown mountain lion solo. In Africa the wholesale slaughter of wild game was done to make room for agriculture and the safety of the farmers many of whom blasted off their feet the entire big game population for miles around. Now before we take a look at particular models and calibers, lets get one basic premise out of the way: when the excrement hits the oscillator, any gun is better than no gun. Sources Eventually, Ill get around to getting a .460 Rowland kit and chest holster for my 1911 and start taking that instead. with my S&W 500 magnum. So, no .38s but the only options arent .44s, 454s, 460s 475 linebaugh or 500s. I just wander where his Pistol and the rigging went to. In the springtime, when the streams are populated with fishermen, the bears are coming out of hibernation and are ravenous. He saw a seasoned Ranger carry the same rigging and said that was good enough for Him. It can push a 400-grain bullet to more than 1,500 fps, but I cant control it. A farmer living in Lower Lake, in Lake County, noticed the dead lambs last week and notified the California Department of Fish and Wildlife. Not a chance will I ever take those with me here in Alaska, other than around town where bear issues are far more unlikely. Im still alive without a scratch. A neighbor, 1/2 mile away lost some pheasants to one. Youre 100% correct. Your wife and kids will thank you. A Smith & Wesson Model 29, in .44 Remington Magnum completely in the vein of Dirty Harry still makes an excellent choice for the bear woods. SCCY DVG-1 Review. (https://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/grizzly/bear%20spray.pdf) 296) Alan and Alex are correct. Published on February 15, 2019 02:47 PM. Shot 3 whitetail doe in the noodle with that rifle, and it wasn,t graphic. great chose but as always ,, we forget the 41 magnum.. 454=1 44=2 and that family on that show Alaska running around with them 10mm auto are waiting to be eating by a Big Brown bear. i think a .38 would tickle the bear more than anything. One must realize that with the adrendeline flowing, a moving target and possibly poor light conditions it is not easy to hit well with a hand gun no matter how good you are at the range! A large bore hot load can be a challenge to control and difficult for multiple shots, while something like a 10mm in a good semi-auto allows for powerful rounds and multiple shots rapidly fired on target for many. Its a free country Plinker you are free to engage in Prayer, Ritual and Incantations by the light of the moon. HP ammo may be great for two legged predators, not so much for those with fourand large teeth! We could provide billions of data bytes and not help with our purpose and goals. can of bear spray is your best defense, for within 50 feet. Perfect gun to have, I dont own one to date but I would love to have a monster K frame, you could practice with 45 long Colts. Theres no such thing as overkill. I usually carry it in a cross-draw holster that allows me to ride a horse or ATV. My gun will push the strong 300-grain hollowpoints to just under 1,200 fps, and thats a formula that can end a confrontation. sure, sure, sure. The farmer who owned the lambs also contacted a trapper in hopes that they could do something about the mountain lion. The spent shell casings can end up lost in the grass, sagebrush, bushes, woods, We dont know what caliber, make or model the handgun was. 6+1 capacity, and will group within 3 inches at 25 yds. .357 Magnum revolver. I believe that model Ruger is single action, right? I would have no reservation about using it on a mountain lion. My close friend and ex-county sheriff assures me that, unless you are acting like an idiot, most sheriffs here in Colorado will just shake your hand and wish you a good day, IF they happen to see your with a magazine with > 15 rounds. I think that the 480 Ruger is a real sparkling over looked gem. But please.no one has mentioned marine flares..is the problem that they do not work or that they are too slow to activate. However, please dont cast aspersions toward those who have done their own homework and made their own best choices. In a close encounter this bear would have had enough time to kill me with no problem. I think it was POOR ARTICLE FROM A PERSON WHO IS SITTING IN AN ARM CHAIR MOSTLY AND BASTE ON HEAR SAY. In ordinary life, people are much more likely to be attacked by another person, than by a mountain lion. BTW chest rig is way to go with X frame revolvers. Who knows? Id wager that Ive walked within feet of bear and cougar many times without realizing that they were there. There was a Professor who during the 50s and 60s working with the US Forrest Service..spent a great deal of time studying bears and bear attacks. Ive chronoed this load at 1325fps, its kickass on Elk. Light to carry, manageable recoil, do a quick reload of 125jhp and your good for CCW. I hope those guides told you that if you fire a round, bears start coming from all directions to eat the free gut pile. It has been updated through June of 2017. you rig will protect you. Brutal to shoot, but effective. I load them to just over 1,200 fps. I have a hard time believing when pressed in close quarters, that they would do well with a .410 load in the face. There is no doubt that bigger and more powerful handguns are preferable for hunting but self protection at close range differs greatly from hunting as it requires quick, often multiple hits, from close range while under extreme stress. My thought Almost all .460s are semi-autos. Of course, I dont live in Alaska, nor have I ever killed a bear. Phil has over three decades of experience guiding hunters and fishermen, and understands their habits as well as anyone else alive. A bear will cover 50 yards in less than 2 seconds in a charge. Nothing prepares you for the 700 gr hardcast, but Im counting on the adrenaline to kick in. Lets stop trying to impress each other with useless specifications and gobbly-gooky BS. Size. I once was a .460 Rowland fan, too, at one time. A 300gr bullet at 1000 fps has 666 ft-lbs of energy. He shot it twice point blank with his 9mm and the hog just shook its head and continued to walk around. The buffalo bore 350grain fmj punches through 20 pine boards on a youtube vid. Even with the hottest 460 I find the revolver to be controllable. Chances are youll only get to use one? BTW seems like shooting an elk here is like ringing a dinner bell for the grizzlies. Park staff monitor the population through satellite GPS collars, remote cameras and . For the most part, good info. The .45 Colt (L) and .454 Casull (R). I sure wanted to sit and talk to him about all the storys they brought back. I do not shoot rabid animals in the head for fear of spreading the rabies virus from the brain, I do not know if this is true or not but thats what Ive been told. In the melay to draw his weapon he had hit the magazine release and his magazine fell out. killed a mountain lion years back with a 3 inch 629, 240 grain hollow points, was not impressed. He has 158 grain, cast SWC and SJSP flat point, +P ammuntion that are showing 890 FPS muzzle velocity on the boxes. If the attacking bear is perfectly downwind, you will have some chance with bear spray. is probably better than nothing but foolhardy in my opinion. Mountain lions are a protected species in California. I heard that some hikers on Mt. They have been most noted in the mountains of California but had, at one time, been found across North and South America. The capsaicin in the bear spray will act as an irritant and will likely make the animal retreat. death by wild beast is now becoming more common. I have three loads that I shot, 200 gr. Though perhaps semi-obsolete, if not obsolete for law enforcement Its also probably a one or two shot deal, so firepower is irrelevant. They are not a pleasant round to shoot but manageable for me, I have been shooting the 44mag pistol for almost 50 years and have lived in Interior Alaska for 38 years now. If you are entering bear inhabited areas, be prepared for the worst situation by having a firearm with sufficient foot-pounds to stop a bear attack. What part of the state? Notify me of follow-up comments by email. That wont be possible until my kids are out of college, though. Its very light and handy to carry. mountain lion primarily subsists on large ungulates, small mammals including porcupine, hares and rabbits, ground squirrels, and beaver may also supplement its diet. And those advanced industrial countries will collapse when their native population collapses in 20-30 years. All shots were heart lung ,,,edit,, All shots were attempted heart lung. The only explanation that I can think of is that it was pumped full of adrenaline. Dogs and coyotes have one indent at the bottom of their pads. Not handloading right now, so that obvious solution is not available; only factory ammo. I looked at my knife on my hip and quickly decided thst wouldnt work. And this is why Glock 29s and Smith & Wesson 329s exist. I have had experience with all of them and know he is right on target. With 158-grain bullets moving at nearly 800 fps, this probably represents along with the 9mm Luger the lower end of the spectrum, as far as a defensive bear gun goes. Not to be the asshole of the crowd, but a Grizzly is an Ursus arctos horribilis as opposed to just the Ursus arctos, or Brown Bear. A bear spray story- NEDERLAND A mountain lion killed after it attacked two dogs in a neighborhood near Nederland on Dec. 27 had no dog remains in its gut when it died, according to a Colorado Parks and Wildlife necropsy report. Regardless, I draw the line at 10mm and 45 Super as my bottom 2 choices in bear country. Hollow points are better for stopping large game if you are pushing a fairly large bullet, 250 grain and larger, at fairly high velocity 1400 fps +the larger bullet with the higher velocity will give you enough penetration for the hollow point to do its job. At least .40 caliber, 300 grains and 1,000 fps. 255gr. Ive lived and hunted and fished in Alaska since 1993. As to the power of black bears, I shot a big boar with a 240 grain CVA slug at about 60 yards. The S&W Govnor and the Taurus Judge are not what you would want in bear country. next fly out someplace and sleep in a tent than write something that means something. I dont plan to go out in the woods or scrubs any more but the S&W 629 with a 8 & 3/8 barrel Ive owned for 25 years will serve me well against black bears or hogzillas here in sunny Florida should the need arise. The Casull is an updated and slightly elongated version of the .45 Colt, fully capable of firing .45 Colt ammunition. All good options. While mountain lion attacks are rare, it is because mountain lions are not common, and interactions between mountain lions and humans are uncommon. Trained dogs can be used to capture or kill depredating lions. For small game, a 38 Spcl. A 10-year-old boy was killed by a mountain lion while hiking near Grand Lake in 1997, and an adult runner was killed in Idaho Springs in 1991. 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